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Clear button

It would be great if the CLEAR button could have a new mode (similar to the MA):

- First click: clean up the programmer

- Second click: clean up the selection

Andras Praksch Andras Praksch
published 12/15/2017 18:56
  • Titan

endorsed by
  • Sebastian Beutel
  • Cobain Schofield
  • Nijs Jonas
  • joe
  • Sekke
  • tom jones
  • sideshowbond
  • cs_event
  • LKK
  • Neal Kerr
  • die.gegenlicht.front
  • Joshua Hornig
  • JSSound
  • Stadtsaal Dillingen
  • Gregory
  • James Mitchell
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Nic
replied 12/31/2017 16:31

If anyone that has voted for or commented on this is interested in discussing it in more detail so we can fully understand the idea, how it should function and why please contact me by email: nick.morris@avolites com.  Thank you!

Nijs Jonas
replied 12/15/2017 21:17

i agree but in the other way (like MA does):

first click: clean up the selection
second click: clean up the programmer

Cobain Schofield
replied 12/15/2017 22:28

Or an option for whichever way you want (plus the traditional Avo way)

Sebastian Beutel
replied 12/15/2017 22:40

This has been on my wishlist for quite a while. I know the MA way - clear fixtures, deactivate values, clear values. But I don't think this would be a good idea to translate 1:1 to Avo - neither I believe or wish do sit in front of an Avo logo and operate the MA syntax. Furthermore, due to the way Titan works and how we operate it I think the first clear should clear the values (i.e. the programmer itself), and the second clear should clear the selection (the editor in Avo speak). An option for holding clear for a clear all doesn't work as it would break other syntax (hold clear for the clear menu). But there should be a clear option and/or user setting for the old style 1-stage-clear and the new 2-stage-clear.

sideshowbond
replied 12/16/2017 08:41

or have "clear selection" and "clear values" as options in the clear menu? You could trigger that via macros as well then if you want.

Also this "2-stage-clear" to me sounds like it only makes sense if you set your clear button to release to playback values.

Also this goes a little along another option I about the other day: deactivate values in the programmer after you recorded them either into a palette or a cue so you'd basically start fresh after every cue (handy for tracked cuelists)

Nic
replied 12/16/2017 11:32

I'm not surprised there is a difference of opinion here.  I can see use cases for both systems.  I don't think it needs to be related to release to playback values.

Example 1 (taking the original proposal):

  • Select fixtures
  • Place values in programmer
  • Record
  • Clear x1 (= clears programmer but retains selection)
  • Place new values in programmer
  • Record
  • etc
  • Clear x2 (= clears programmer and selection)

Example 2 (MA style):

  • Select spots
  • Enter values in programmer
  • Select washes
  • Decide you meant to select beams
  • Clear x1 (= deselects washes)
  • Select beams
  • Enter values in programmer
  • Record
  • Clear x2

Given the selection rules the latter probably only makes sense where you need to deselect without changing any values but would certainly be quicker than the current method.

I suspect ultimately the solution might need to be a user setting giving three options (standard 1-press, 2-press programmer then selection, 2-press selection then programmer).  The danger of this is it can potentially be confusing.  I don't think it should be an option directly from the clear menu though - I feel this would be too slow.

Factory macros could always be provided separately as well which you could assign to buttons.  So you could keep clear as it is and have a separate button (or two buttons) which clear selection or clear programmer.

 

Also this goes a little along another option I about the other day: deactivate values in the programmer after you recorded them either into a palette or a cue so you'd basically start fresh after every cue (handy for tracked cuelists)

I think this should be a separate idea although personally I often find it very fast to retain the programmer when recording palettes (for example colour mixing).  I'm not sure I understand the relevance for tracked cuelists.

Sebastian Beutel
replied 12/16/2017 12:50

To further substantiate this, here is the situation where I regularly feel the need for such a thing: the famous colour bump chase. E.g. we want to create a chase with white running through, no other colour in there, to finally set it to cue release and be happy.

Currently, as clear always does a clear-all (and Off has other issues which is a different story) the only real way is literally.

  • select fix 1
  • apply white palette
  • record chase step
  • clear
  • select fix 2
  • apply white palette
  • record chase step
  • clear
  • ...

This is quite cumbersome and prone to errors. If we had the 2-stage-clear and the first clear would clear the programmer but not the selection we could do

  • select x fixtures
    • Fix+1
    • apply white palette
    • record chase step
    • clear (which now only clears white on this fixture but retains the general selection)
  • repeat the indented steps x times
  • clear (which now clears the selection/the editor)

Would be one of my favourite macros I guess

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